I created a post about anti-atheism entiled "The Skeptic Tank" and quite a handful spouted their so-called intellectual arguments about atheism and theism. One dribbling moron who goes by the name of Grebsnig wrote this out of the subject post:
"Has anyone here read this fruitcake's profile? She claims to have dated Eddie Vedder nine years ago, when she was 13. Even that astounding age difference isn't? the most convincing piece of information that leads one to believe that this affair is nonexistence, what solidifies this as a lie for me is that Eddie Vedder would never date some dope who listens to the Dave Matthews Band. Despite my loathing for [her] moronic absurdity, [I] thank [her] for giving me a good laugh."Ha ha...I'm sorry Grebsnig but you are not a winner. When I claimed to have dated Eddie Vedder, it was ABSOLUTELY, DEFINITELY and APPARENTLY a JOKE. Now, you are the dope because you didn't realize that. I suggest that you find yourself a support group for crackbrains.
Anyhow, here are some of the arguments that were presented:
1)Perhaps you can justify your belief in the existence of God, but how do you propose to go about justifying It's existence? There is no subjective (or objective? I'm not sure which word to use) way to prove God. You can say that I exist, so there must be a God, but I would tell you that my existence is due to billions of years of evolution. The point is, you can not give irrefutable proof for or against the existence of God.
2)Why must something proceed from something else in order to exist? Was the CED created? What created the CED? What created the thing that created the CED? What created that?
I am not posting all of the replies because they are too many and will consume a lot of space. Here is my argument:
THE SKEPTIC TANK
All of us, at one point in our lives (I am also refering to the atheists even before they became atheists) have a clear and distinct idea of God. But all of these ideas are the effects of causes. Then there must be some cause of our idea of God. I came across my old notes and read something my man Descartes wrote: The three self evident propositions about causes:
-there must be as much reality in the cause as in the effect
-something can not proceed from nothing
-what is more perfect can not proceed from the less perfect
With the help of Descartes' three propositions about causes, I therefore say that nothing could cause my idea of God as a perfect substance that is not as perfect as the idea. Although I could be the cause of my ideas of physical objects or animals or man--since there is nothing so great or perfect in these ideas that I could not have caused them--I could not, however,have caused the idea of God because I am only a finite, imperfect being, whereas the idea of God is of a perfect and infinite being. So, something else greater than me must have caused my Idea of God, something which is at least as great as the effect, can only be an infinite,perfect being namely God Himself. Therefore, God exists as the only possible cause of my idea of Him.